Is anyone using Progeny for RedHat security updates yet?

12-30-03, 10:10 #1
dynamicnet Senior Member Join: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,500	Is anyone using Progeny for RedHat security updates yet? Greetings: RE: http://transition.progeny.com/ Is anyone using their services yet? I've had several email exchanges with Greg Duwe in their sales department; Greg has been polite and responsive in all emails. There appears to be two major differences between the soon to be gone (at least for RedHat 7.3) RedHat Update Network and Progeny: 1. There is currently no browser tool for the updates. The RHN service currently allows you to point and click on servers, packages, etc, and have the system automated. The only time you really have to log onto a server is either to reboot the server for a kernel upgrade or refresh the tripwire database. The Progeny system involves downloading and applying the patches manually. 2. The Progeny service only deals with security updates. It does not deal with bug fixes or other forms of updates. https://rhn.redhat.com/network/errat...s.pxt?eid=1931 included a small number of security fixes, and mostly bug fixes. According to Greg, only the security fixes would be on Progeny. Thoughts? Thank you. __________________ Peter M. Abraham, Senior Server Administrator Dynamic Net, Inc. -- US/Canada: 001-888-887-6727; International: 001-717-484-1062 -- email solutions @ dynamicnet.net Parallels H-Sphere Strategic Partner for H-Sphere Security and H-Sphere Server Management Server Security, Server Administration, Server Migrations, co-location, dedicated servers, and more http://www.dynamicnet.net/services/hsphere.htm

12-30-03, 10:10

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Is anyone using Progeny for RedHat security updates yet?

Greetings:

RE: http://transition.progeny.com/

Is anyone using their services yet?

I've had several email exchanges with Greg Duwe in their sales department; Greg has been polite and responsive in all emails.

There appears to be two major differences between the soon to be gone (at least for RedHat 7.3) RedHat Update Network and Progeny:

1. There is currently no browser tool for the updates. The RHN service currently allows you to point and click on servers, packages, etc, and have the system automated.

The only time you really have to log onto a server is either to reboot the server for a kernel upgrade or refresh the tripwire database.

The Progeny system involves downloading and applying the patches manually.

2. The Progeny service only deals with security updates.

It does not deal with bug fixes or other forms of updates.

https://rhn.redhat.com/network/errat...s.pxt?eid=1931 included a small number of security fixes, and mostly bug fixes.

According to Greg, only the security fixes would be on Progeny.

Thoughts?

Thank you.

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01-10-04, 20:54 #2
ladylinux Senior Member Join: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,665	Hello, I would be very interested to know the bandwidth speeds .. I will be hanging with 7.3 for a lil while until I get my finances back in order after the Big Cheat .. Plz keep me posted ... although for 20 a month for my 4 7.3 servers .. I figure its not a huge loss .. :-) Lady Linux __________________ "No Problems Only Solutions" We Provide Server Management, Security Hardening And Patch Management. Also Dedicated Servers, Colocation, VPS Servers And Hsphere Licenses.

01-10-04, 20:54

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Hello,

I would be very interested to know the bandwidth speeds .. I will be hanging with 7.3 for a lil while until I get my finances back in order after the Big Cheat ..

Plz keep me posted ... although for 20 a month for my 4 7.3 servers .. I figure its not a huge loss .. :-)

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01-11-04, 15:40 #3
dynamicnet Senior Member Join: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,500	Greetings Lady Linux: I'm still reviewing our company's options. Right now, it looks like we will stick with RedHat 7.3 for existing servers. We will probably use RedHat Enterprise 3.x on new production machines brought into the equation. I'm still researching Progeny as well as options to Progeny. My personal wish is that RedHat would come to the rescue even if it means only paid updates, and they increase the price per server (though not too drastically). Thank you. __________________ Peter M. Abraham, Senior Server Administrator Dynamic Net, Inc. -- US/Canada: 001-888-887-6727; International: 001-717-484-1062 -- email solutions @ dynamicnet.net Parallels H-Sphere Strategic Partner for H-Sphere Security and H-Sphere Server Management Server Security, Server Administration, Server Migrations, co-location, dedicated servers, and more http://www.dynamicnet.net/services/hsphere.htm

01-11-04, 15:40

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Greetings Lady Linux:

I'm still reviewing our company's options.

Right now, it looks like we will stick with RedHat 7.3 for existing servers. We will probably use RedHat Enterprise 3.x on new production machines brought into the equation.

I'm still researching Progeny as well as options to Progeny.

My personal wish is that RedHat would come to the rescue even if it means only paid updates, and they increase the price per server (though not too drastically).

Thank you.

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01-15-04, 15:24 #4
profitability Senior Member Join: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,775	I'm still hanging on the sidelines waiting to see if Progeny will come out w/ support for up2date or something similar. The current http download scheme just doesn't scale...we'll see. Andrew

01-15-04, 16:38 #5
ladylinux Senior Member Join: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,665	Hello, My thoughts exactly .. Even M$ gave in and extended win 98 and ME .. Lady Linux __________________ "No Problems Only Solutions" We Provide Server Management, Security Hardening And Patch Management. Also Dedicated Servers, Colocation, VPS Servers And Hsphere Licenses.

01-16-04, 02:31 #6
hanskind Senior Member Join: Jan 2003 Posts: 687	I signed up with progeny for 2 RH 7.3 servers. Yesterday I received the first 2 Security updates. First one regarding cvs, second one regarding tcpdump and libpcap/arpwatch. The cvs version recomended by progeny was allready installed on the server(s) while that also was the case with tcpdump. libpcap is not installed on the servers, arpwatch is a version behind. What I do miss so far is a up2date alike system that shows the updates that are needed on the server, and does check for dependencies you are about to update So far progeny doesn't offer such a service, and you will need to check and double check to see if a update is needed for your machine(s). That might become a nightmare, if you have different setup on your servers, not to mention different RH versions. Last remark. I have 5 machines running RH 7.3 and signed up for 2 accounts. Looks likes it's simple to install the updates on the 3 machines I don't have a account for. Another reason for progeny to start using a up2date alike system. rgds __________________ Hans Kind - The Dutchy FlyingServers International - Europe +31 592 40 96 12 MySQL Enterprise Hosting Partner, MySQL Hosting Solutions FlyingBackup, off-site & remote backup services Server Security, Managed Dedicated Servers, Monitoring Service ------------------------------------------- Wisdom is, only talk when you can improve the silence

01-16-04, 02:31

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I signed up with progeny for 2 RH 7.3 servers.

Yesterday I received the first 2 Security updates. First one regarding cvs, second one regarding tcpdump and libpcap/arpwatch.

The cvs version recomended by progeny was allready installed on the server(s) while that also was the case with tcpdump.

libpcap is not installed on the servers, arpwatch is a version behind.

What I do miss so far is a up2date alike system that shows the updates that are needed on the server, and does check for dependencies you are about to update

So far progeny doesn't offer such a service, and you will need to check and double check to see if a update is needed for your machine(s). That might become a nightmare, if you have different setup on your servers, not to mention different RH versions.

Last remark. I have 5 machines running RH 7.3 and signed up for 2 accounts. Looks likes it's simple to install the updates on the 3 machines I don't have a account for. Another reason for progeny to start using a up2date alike system.

rgds

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01-16-04, 07:53 #7
dynamicnet Senior Member Join: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,500	Greetings: I just went to sign up; and then had to stop. If you want instant account activation (or close), they force you to use (I will not add any adverbs to this company) PayPal. So I had to ask them to invoice us. Sigh. Thank you. __________________ Peter M. Abraham, Senior Server Administrator Dynamic Net, Inc. -- US/Canada: 001-888-887-6727; International: 001-717-484-1062 -- email solutions @ dynamicnet.net Parallels H-Sphere Strategic Partner for H-Sphere Security and H-Sphere Server Management Server Security, Server Administration, Server Migrations, co-location, dedicated servers, and more http://www.dynamicnet.net/services/hsphere.htm

01-16-04, 07:53

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Greetings:

I just went to sign up; and then had to stop.

If you want instant account activation (or close), they force you to use (I will not add any adverbs to this company) PayPal.

So I had to ask them to invoice us. Sigh.

Thank you.

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01-16-04, 11:15 #8
ladylinux Senior Member Join: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,665	Not To Say I Told You So Hello, Hope some of you are students of history enough to know that I was questioning this company about 2 months ago. Nah Nah A Nah Nah Ok .. Sorry. Fran __________________ "No Problems Only Solutions" We Provide Server Management, Security Hardening And Patch Management. Also Dedicated Servers, Colocation, VPS Servers And Hsphere Licenses.

01-16-04, 11:20 #9
iseletsk Administrator Join: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,190	I wander why he doesn't use something like apt-get - it is so simple to setup repository - and it works like a charm.

01-16-04, 11:29 #10
ladylinux Senior Member Join: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,665	Igor, This a grab from misery operation .. Thats why .. Lady Linux __________________ "No Problems Only Solutions" We Provide Server Management, Security Hardening And Patch Management. Also Dedicated Servers, Colocation, VPS Servers And Hsphere Licenses.

01-16-04, 11:41 #11
iseletsk Administrator Join: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,190	It is just that from my stand point - it is much easier to provide setup the site & provide apt-get support, then post thouse patches. I mean he can control access to apt-get repository on a per IP bases via simple iptables script. Its all sounds like it would take one day to setup.

01-16-04, 13:48 #12
ladylinux Senior Member Join: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,665	Igor, They are taking the Money .. And This is like a six month thing for most .. (And seems like nobody is too happy) :-) I Am so glad you Guys got ES 3.0 done .. Lady Linux __________________ "No Problems Only Solutions" We Provide Server Management, Security Hardening And Patch Management. Also Dedicated Servers, Colocation, VPS Servers And Hsphere Licenses.

01-19-04, 17:02 #13
profitability Senior Member Join: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,775	Along these lines...has anyone looked at Ximian's Red Carpet offerings? http://www.ximian.com Andrew

01-19-04, 21:55 #14
iseletsk Administrator Join: Sep 2001 Posts: 3,190	It looks like fedora legacy provides rpm updates for 7.3 - through apt-get & yum Here is the repository: http://download.fedora.us/fedora/red.../RPMS.updates/ Here is some info: http://fedoralegacy.org/download/ Sounds very interesting.

01-20-04, 00:41 #15
amd_duron Senior Member Join: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,941	I have used red-carpet, and run into some issues, it seems most every package on red carpet is a -ximian build, and it has some slight differences as I have had a booger of a time compiling against some of their libraries, I would not recommend that step, the system overall is nice in function, but too specific in builds.

01-26-04, 09:35 #16
dynamicnet Senior Member Join: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,500	Greetings: We ordered three servers (by check) from Progeny; and I'm meeting with a RedCarpet sales engineer this Thursday. This weekend, I confirmed you can use yum and Fedora Legacy to update an old box to at least 12/31/2003. See http://forum.psoft.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6745 for the how-to guide. Thank you. __________________ Peter M. Abraham, Senior Server Administrator Dynamic Net, Inc. -- US/Canada: 001-888-887-6727; International: 001-717-484-1062 -- email solutions @ dynamicnet.net Parallels H-Sphere Strategic Partner for H-Sphere Security and H-Sphere Server Management Server Security, Server Administration, Server Migrations, co-location, dedicated servers, and more http://www.dynamicnet.net/services/hsphere.htm

01-26-04, 09:35

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Greetings:

We ordered three servers (by check) from Progeny; and I'm meeting with a RedCarpet sales engineer this Thursday.

This weekend, I confirmed you can use yum and Fedora Legacy to update an old box to at least 12/31/2003.

See http://forum.psoft.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6745 for the how-to guide.

Thank you.

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01-26-04, 10:48

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Hello,

Quote:

This weekend, I confirmed you can use yum and Fedora Legacy to update an old box to at least 12/31/2003.

Now what were all you doing on New Years eve .. I was updating boxes ..

... RH up2date still works for 7.3 .. Just no new updates .. Other than the Kernel update that came out about the 6th of Jan ..

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01-26-04, 10:51 #18
dynamicnet Senior Member Join: Jan 2003 Posts: 13,500	Greetings Lady Linux: We had close to $1,000 invested in the RHN just last year prior to their announcement to go Enterprise. ;-) During the weekend of New Year's eve, I was reading up on DDoS, DoS, and how kids as young as 13 years old control 500+ zombie PC's ;-) From a technology stance, I like alternatives. So we paid $90 for three Progeny servers, this Thursday we have a RedCarpet sales engineer coming in, and as stated, I tried out yum which was an ok yum taste ;-) Thank you. P.S. If the Fedora Legacy project adds ongoing updates to RedHat 7.3, then yum could be used to keep the system up to date. __________________ Peter M. Abraham, Senior Server Administrator Dynamic Net, Inc. -- US/Canada: 001-888-887-6727; International: 001-717-484-1062 -- email solutions @ dynamicnet.net Parallels H-Sphere Strategic Partner for H-Sphere Security and H-Sphere Server Management Server Security, Server Administration, Server Migrations, co-location, dedicated servers, and more http://www.dynamicnet.net/services/hsphere.htm

01-26-04, 10:51

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Greetings Lady Linux:

We had close to $1,000 invested in the RHN just last year prior to their announcement to go Enterprise. ;-)

During the weekend of New Year's eve, I was reading up on DDoS, DoS, and how kids as young as 13 years old control 500+ zombie PC's ;-)

From a technology stance, I like alternatives.

So we paid $90 for three Progeny servers, this Thursday we have a RedCarpet sales engineer coming in, and as stated, I tried out yum which was an ok yum taste ;-)

Thank you.

P.S. If the Fedora Legacy project adds ongoing updates to RedHat 7.3, then yum could be used to keep the system up to date.

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02-10-04, 11:08 #19
profitability Senior Member Join: Aug 2002 Posts: 1,775	Just to toss an additional two cents in the ring, I've been playing with yum & Fedora Legacy as well and it looks rather promising. Also it appears that RedHat perhaps hasn't entirely stopped...there are errata available through RHN for 7.3 as new as Jan. 26...and up2date still works provided you have entitlements. Makes me wonder if they have something up their sleeve or if some of that may just be byproducts of the continued RH9 support through April. We'll see, I guess. Andrew

02-10-04, 11:08

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Just to toss an additional two cents in the ring, I've been playing with yum & Fedora Legacy as well and it looks rather promising. Also it appears that RedHat perhaps hasn't *entirely* stopped...there are errata available through RHN for 7.3 as new as Jan. 26...and up2date still works provided you have entitlements. Makes me wonder if they have something up their sleeve or if some of that may just be byproducts of the continued RH9 support through April. We'll see, I guess.

Andrew

02-10-04, 14:12 #20
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02-10-04, 14:13 #21
ladylinux Senior Member Join: Jul 2003 Posts: 9,665	Hello, Red Hat posted that six months after end of life the channels would be kept open. Nothing new though. Lady Linux __________________ "No Problems Only Solutions" We Provide Server Management, Security Hardening And Patch Management. Also Dedicated Servers, Colocation, VPS Servers And Hsphere Licenses.

02-10-04, 14:49

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Quote:

Originally posted by ladylinux
Hello,

Red Hat posted that six months after end of life the channels would be kept open. Nothing new though.

Lady Linux

That was part of my point, though. There have been a few "new" things added into the channel since the EOL of 7.3. Probably doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting to note...

Andrew

02-10-04, 14:54

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Hello,

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That was part of my point, though. There have been a few "new" things added into the channel since the EOL of 7.3. Probably doesn't mean anything, but it's interesting to note...

It means something of course .. The did do a Kernel update in Jan .. And this is news for some readers of this forum. I did a update of a 7.3 box last night from RH .. Of course I have valid update entiltlements .. And will keep em ..

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08-04-04, 22:39 #24
IkkI Registered User Join: Aug 2004 Posts: 1	I upgraded all our boxes from Redhat 7x to 9x 've been using progeny since Redhat stopped supporting 9x in April 04. Up to yesterday I have been happy with their service, although not as easy as using redhats up2date which I had running in a cronjob every morning. However I just applied their kernel verions "kernel-2.4.20-31.9.progeny.4.i386.rpm" and the servers that got that update have gone nuts. ipchains and netstat no longer work. netstat keeps trying to run and sendmail and netstat suck up 100% of the cpu usage. They must have screwed up on this update. Also they had a mistake on a php update last month which they made a fix for the following week. It's great that they are supporting Redhat but it would be nice if they did alittle more testing before they release these rpm's. rick

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I upgraded all our boxes from Redhat 7x to 9x 've been using progeny since Redhat stopped supporting 9x in April 04. Up to yesterday I have been happy with their service, although not as easy as using redhats up2date which I had running in a cronjob every morning.

However I just applied their kernel verions "kernel-2.4.20-31.9.progeny.4.i386.rpm" and the servers that got that update have gone nuts. ipchains and netstat no longer work. netstat keeps trying to run and sendmail and netstat suck up 100% of the cpu usage. They must have screwed up on this update. Also they had a mistake on a php update last month which they made a fix for the following week. It's great that they are supporting Redhat but it would be nice if they did alittle more testing before they release these rpm's.

rick

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